Tough 1500 v2 resin print settings/ orientation

Hello,

This is my first post on the forum, so please excuse my ignorance or formatting. Tried my best to put this question in the correct spot.

I have tried printing this part 6 times to no avail, and it is getting rather expensive to do the trial/error testing method.

Can anyone on here provide any insight on print settings, layer height, touchpoint size, etc..?

Photos below:

  • PreForm version 3.54.1.603
  • Supports V1
  • 0.100mm layer height
  • I remove support material after 10min IPA wash
  • Cure 60 min @ 70degrees C

Supports on Outer Face

Great thread quality……I did insert a 1mm hole not shown for resin drainage

Terrible outer surface quality…..

Supports on Threaded Side

Good outer surface quality……

Terrible thread quality…..

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I’d be adjusting the angle of that part closer to 45° or slightly more (still keeping the thread facing away from the build platform). Any flatish surfaces that face the build platform will exhibit the issues you are having. Hope this helps.

@litlmac Using a 45-degree angle is a good start. I’d also try the new Alpha Supports V2, which should account for anchoring the part, but with smaller filler supports. As always, you can reach out to our support team, and they can help you with the finer details during your troubleshooting.

Hi @litlmac, can you share the model and/or .form file? If you also have the part it threads into, that would be helpful as well. Thanks!

Hi @litlmac -

I have had some good success with Tough1500 V2 but it depended on a couple of things.

I tend to agree with @Andrew_W on this one. I would start with 45deg tilt and try to get an orientation which places as little possible supports when using auto-support. Reason being, when you see it attaching many supports on such a steep overhang, you can almost know for sure you will get the surface finish as per your first image.

I tend to design parts in a way that I aways have one flat surface that I can place on the build plate directly. Of course this is not always possible.

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I roughly eyeballed and drew up a similar part in CAD to try printing in some different orientations.

I attempted 3 different orientations, all supported with Supports V2, with Tough 1500 V2 on Form 4 @ 100µm.

  1. Thread-side directly down
  2. Thread-side directly up
  3. Thread-side down, tilted 5º

In all cases, I auto-generated supports with Supports V2, then used Manual Edit to remove supports placed on the threads, since threads are generally somewhat self-supporting (depending on the pitch/size, but we will ignore in this example.)

From a technical perspective, @Friedl_1977 is right that angling a part generally improves surface quality by reducing sudden peel force changes. But in this case, since the threads are the most important feature (they are mating faces that have to fit properly), I would actually recommend printing the part flat/parallel instead of angled. Even if angling improves the general surfaces, it can cause more drastic overhangs on some of the threads, leading to distortion on one side. For me, it’d be better to have consistent, even threads all the way around—perhaps imperfect but uniform—than threads that bias in specific spots.

Here are the three parts:


As expected, the ones printed flat on supports (leftmost & rightmost) have really bad undersides from the support interface (the reason we don’t recommend printing flat surfaces parallel to the build platform on supports), but the threads came out the cleanest and most uniform.


Even with just a 5º tilt, I noticed the threads started to become inconsistent and thicker in certain directions. That tradeoff (to me) isn’t worth it if the threads need to function properly.

Unfortunately, this is one of those cases where the part just wasn’t designed/optimized for 3D printing, and you have to weigh the tradeoffs of different printing orientations. If you want clean surfaces and clean threads, my personal solution would be to split the part. Plane cut around the lip like this, print both halves flat on the build platform (add drain hole(s)), and glue/epoxy them together after post-processing. That way, both sides get clean surfaces (since areas of interest would all be facing upwards), you won’t need supports at all, and the threads stay uniform all around. You could even add slight locating geometries (keys) if you want to align them easier when glueing (not pictured).



Hope this makes sense (and helps)!

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Hi -

Of course this is a generalization yes :slight_smile: In fact, for thin, flat and tall parts (eg. base of an enclosure) the best for me is to print perpendicular to the build plate.

I am with @henryqiu on this one - printing parallel to (or directly on if you can) the build plate is probably your best chance. Splitting this would have been my approach as well.

When printing parts that need to be dimensionally accurate, (eg. forms part of an assembly) FOR ME at least the best way without fail, is to print them directly on the platform whenever possible. To the point where if not possible, I would redesign the part to be able to do so.

The only challenge I have faced with this is when curing Tough 1500 @ 70C… it can warp depending on the geometry of the part due to the lack of support structures. I recently printed a part that required no more than 0.1mm tolerances using Flexible 50A material. This part had to fit into a machined aluminium enclosure. I gave to very little to no chance of success especially as I had no experience with the material. That said, the part printed perfectly and the fit was 100%.

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This is how the split print would look for context. Rushed through the glueing process but you get the idea:


This was the cleanest thread + surface finish combination with not too much extra work. This is what I would do for prototyping purposes for a part like this

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My two thoughts here are:

  1. you could probably print this around 30 degrees with a ton less supports than you originally had. Sometimes really high density of supports end up making the surface worse because of resin pooling

  2. this would probably be a good candidate for printing flat on the BP on the thread side down, with some supports around the outer edge of the flange (you probably need to manually place these). Might need to turn on cup mitigation

Personally, I would try #2

Also if you aren’t already, I would drop touchpoints down to 0.3 or 0.35mm

I truly appreciate all the replies to this topic. This forum is AWESOME.

I ended with an orientation that:

  1. Cost me a lot of $$$

  2. Makes sense now that I got it. Adaptive Touchpoints…………..If anyone from Formlabs happens to see this. I love that someone is working on an algorithm for this. I took it past what was available to me using some open source machine learning.

Looks something like this.

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Looks great! Well done and happy new year! Will pass on the positive feedback about adaptive touchpoints. You can learn more about the differences of the new support algorithm here: Supports V2

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@litlmac

Something else that I have done to hide support marks is print with a texture on the surface that has the supports. It actually worked quite well.

I have not printed with the adaptive touchpoint yet, mainly due to the increased cost. Here resin is quite expensive so every ml’s can determine whether a print is feasible or not :slight_smile:

Part looks good - nice job!