Small miniature failures - Post Expose Cure Wait / Squish Intensity made a huge difference

I print quite a lot of small miniatures with very thin/delicate parts – arms, hands, swords, etc. – and recently I started getting a lot of failed prints.

The typical failure is that one part of the model simply doesn’t continue printing and I’m left with a flat “pancake” of cured resin on the build platform. Quite often it is a small feature such as an arm, weapon or hand, but not always – I’ve also had larger, completely ordinary sections of a model fail in exactly the same way, without any particularly thin or delicate geometry involved.

I’ve had some models where I tried printing them 4–5 times in a row, and each time a different part would fail like this. I tried changing the orientation, adding more supports and supporting the problematic areas more aggressively, but in some cases none of that really helped.

My setup is:

As far as I understand, Supports V2 is essentially the same support system/profile that was previously referred to as Reduced Density.

One important thing about my use case is that my goal is to use as few supports as possible, with the smallest practical touchpoints. I print miniatures for painting, so I care a lot about keeping support marks away from the most visible and important parts of the model.

Because of that, my orientation is also not always the orientation that would be optimal purely for print reliability. I often orient a miniature so that faces, front-facing surfaces and other important details can remain completely free of supports, even if that makes the print somewhat more demanding. I would much rather make the printing process a little slower or more conservative than cover important areas of the miniature in extra supports.

After getting frustrated with the repeated failures, I asked AI for suggestions and it recommended experimenting with two advanced settings and i tested first:

  • Post Expose Cure Wait: 0 s → 2 s
  • Squish Intensity: 55 → 30

These values were somewhat arbitrary starting points rather than the result of any systematic testing. They worked surprisingly well, so before I start changing them and testing different combinations, I wanted to ask what Formlabs would recommend and whether these values make sense for this type of printing.

The difference has been pretty dramatic. Prints take considerably longer, but since making those changes I’ve had zero failures so far, including models that had already failed multiple times before. i even made supports touch points smaller ( tested 40->30 ) and still works great

So I’m curious what people at Formlabs think about this.

Does this make sense for small miniatures in general, especially ones containing thin or fragile geometry, but also considering that some of my failures happened on larger and fairly normal sections of a model?

Which of these two changes is most likely responsible for the improvement – the additional Post Expose Cure Wait, the lower Squish Intensity, or potentially both?

Is 2 s / 30 more than necessary for this kind of print, and are there any disadvantages to using values like these other than the significantly increased print time?

I’m also curious whether there are any other advanced settings you would recommend specifically for this kind of miniature printing, where the priority is reliability while still being able to use relatively light supports and orientations chosen to protect the most visible parts of the model.

For my use case I’m perfectly happy to trade some print speed for reliability if it means I can keep support count and touchpoint size down without having to reprint the same miniature several times because one section failed.

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Hi! Yes this is expected!

At Formlabs we try to balance speed, reliability and part quality.

It is possible to reduce touchpoint size or density if you make motors moves slower (lower forces) because this is less likely to break supports/fine features during peel or squish forces. Our default settings are not always trying to optimize for touchpoint size and fragile features. So as long as print speed is not a concern for you then it’s very practical to reduce print speed to achieve less touchpoints or smaller touchpoints while keeping a high success rate!

Which of these two changes is most likely responsible for the improvement – the additional Post Expose Cure Wait, the lower Squish Intensity, or potentially both?

It’s likely both. Longer post exposure cure wait gives more time for the resin to harden, making it stiffer before peeling. Squish intensity would reduce the forces experienced by the model.

I’m also curious whether there are any other advanced settings you would recommend specifically for this kind of miniature printing, where the priority is reliability while still being able to use relatively light supports and orientations chosen to protect the most visible parts of the model.

I would also assume making peel slower could help but I don’t have a specific recommended value in mind. Might require playing around with the values a bit to find what works for your models.

Thanks for your response, Jeff!

Since Grey V5 uses Smart Peel by default, I was wondering if you know roughly what range of peel speeds Smart Peel actually operates within.

When I enable Custom Peel, PreForm shows 1.5 mm / 0.7 mm/s for Stage One and 15 mm / 1.0 mm/s for Stage Two, but I assume those are just the Custom Peel defaults and not representative of what Smart Peel is doing dynamically.

What I’m really trying to achieve is a peel that’s even gentler than the gentlest behavior Smart Peel would normally choose :stuck_out_tongue:

So even if you don’t have a specific Custom Peel recommendation, do you know roughly what minimum/maximum peel speeds Smart Peel tends to use? That would at least give me a sensible range to work from.