Thanks @mgarrity, not sure how I missed this discussion. That is a cool trick, I did get my item to create a ring shaped raft in the past but I wasn’t sure how I did it. Now I know how to force/trick it.
If for some reason it doesn’t work or someone might be timid to remove too many supports, I like the idea of putting one item inside another. It allows me to print two items at once where one might think it is not possible.