# Preform model orientation always zeroes **URL:** \ **Category:** Form 1/1+\ **Created:** [March 29, 2016, 6:33pm UTC](https://forum.formlabs.com/t/preform-model-orientation-always-zeroes/7619 "2016-03-29T18:33:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 3
**Author:** ![MattKeeter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex025/user_avatar/forum.formlabs.com/mattkeeter/32/12053_2.png) [@MattKeeter](https://forum.formlabs.com/u/MattKeeter)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 8:01pm UTC](https://forum.formlabs.com/t/preform-model-orientation-always-zeroes/7619/3 "2016-03-30T20:01:15Z")
Check out this thread for an discussion of relative vs absolute rotation: > [@Preform orientation suggestions](http://forum.formlabs.com/t/preform-orientation-suggestions/4844/2): > > Hi Miroslav, Thanks for the well-thought-out and detailed feedback. The main reason that we got rid of persistently visible global rotation angles is that their behavior is confusing. For one thing, the order in which the rotations are applied affects the final orientation of the model. Furthermore, because the rotations are applied one after the other, modifications in one of the fields can seem to behave incorrectly – for instance, changing the X angle value could seem to rotate the model … Also, see this discussion back when Preform displayed absolute angles (and gimbal lock led to confusing situations): > [@Orientation axes are completely borked](http://forum.formlabs.com/t/orientation-axes-are-completely-borked/4048): > > The orientation axes are completely and utterly broken, and apparently were designed and implemented without any logic or testing whatsoever. Q: Why would both the X and Z entry boxes rotate the part the exact same way!!!??? Q: Why would the numerical entries change inexplicably to other (often with 2 decimal places defined) random numbers after leaving the dialog and then coming back to it!!!??? Q: Why does a user have to wait while you calculate and display the graphic orientation with each… --- _[View the full topic](https://forum.formlabs.com/t/preform-model-orientation-always-zeroes/7619)._